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  1. Visser

    Visser Limited User

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    I just found about Bill 107, which apparently has been passed but not necessarily in effect yet.

    There is a portion of Bill 107 applicable to off road vehicles:

    From: https://www.amo.on.ca/AMO-Content/Policy-Updates/2019/AMOInitialReviewofBill107andBill108

    First, can anyone who knows about this bill confirm if this remained in the bill that was passed, and

    Second, is this applicable to green plated motorcycles as well as ATVs?
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  3. Visser

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    Ah, yes, I see it now:

    That's too bad. I was getting ready to sell the DRZ and get something lighter and green plated...
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    It would be nice to be included. I ride a dualsport just to get from trail to trail.
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    GQelements ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Unless you need a 2-stroke, which does not suit your riding style anyway, why not get a blue-plated BETA, HUSKY or KTM? Plenty of options to choose from in Blue plate already... or even the Honda 450...

    Unless you're focusing on racing I don't see ANY reason to go Green...
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    Much cheaper insurance is one reason to go green with a green plate.
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    GQelements ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Is it worth daily sacrifices as to where you can actually ride? Even some enduros require a Blue Plate... I love riding in the Ganny and if in need of gas or a snack shooting up to RACETRACK gas without having to hop back into my truck and leaving the bike unattended in the park...

    Also not exactly correct on insurance costs.... 'Loophole' blue plate bikes like BETA's entire 4T range come up as ATV/Motocross bike in insurance databases so you pay $100-200 insurance rates, but MTO registers them with a blue plate... go see @Sewerat at Lang's today.
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  8. Visser

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    That's what this bill takes care of. From my understanding it means that a green plated ATV can now use any road to ride on... to the gas station or whatever, unless the road is banned by municipal bylaw. Before all roads were banned unless municipalities allowed them via a bylaw.

    If this also applied to bikes (which it doesn't) then the enduros you talk of would likely no longer have a blue plate requirement and you'd have no issue running up to Racetrack on a green plated bike.

    As for your bike recommendations, I am looking for lighter but not more maintenance required or expensive (Japanese cheap parts and reliability, but lose the Japanese weight). I remember the good ole' days with my XR250 which I almost didn't maintain at all but it just kept going. I did the same thing with a CR125, even though that wasn't very suitable for trail riding.
  9. GQelements

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    @Visser you are not going to get performace, light weight AND low maintenance in one bike... it's a unicorn that doesn't exist. Look at the Japanese CRF450L - still titanium valves and oil intervals of a motocrosser...

    NOW, consider that even your most aggressive dualsport riding does not scratch the surface of race load these bikes were designed for. My Beta manual recommends oil changes every 30h of race load... I've never left it that long but I have compared oil after 8h of strictly race/track use and +20h of dualsport riding (high-pace Ganny schlepping), and the dual sport oil could have easily gone back in the bike for double the mileage. Point is that you can easily get +40h of recreational use on these bikes without adverse effects...

    Back to green plate discussion: no matter how you spin it, green plate use of logging roads up north is at best 'at discretion' of a cop you encounter... you can't properly enjoy Bobcageon, Kinmount, Kearny or TCAT riding etc without a proper blue plate (with or without this bill). And even with the bill (which doesn't apply to bikes I believe), I don't want to just put around in the side of the road... I want to ride in the middle of it like I pay taxes too...
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    I'm not sure I agree with a bunch of this...

    I'll start from the bottom and work up: I just did a decent loop up near Kearney that was 54km and only a small portion was on roads... and all those roads allow green plated ATVs. If bikes were offered the same allowance, it would be a good and very tough run for a bike. It was tough on a 4wd ATV, and portions would have been very tough on a bike. I even had to use my winch once, with no go around... so it would have been tough on a bike.

    Back to bikes though... you may not know my riding style but I am not a performance guy. I used to race a long long time ago, but now I am old and fragile so I have slowed down. I have no interest in high speed trail running -- sure, I have been known to run gravel roads at extreme rates of speed -- but I am just as happy crawling along the trails slowly. Which leads to another point as to why I usually ride alone: I often get too competitive when riding with others and ride too fast and dangerously. On my own I am slow and careful.

    So... speaking of which, and since I no longer ride on the road (much), I'm actually considering trading my DRZ for a much slower and smaller TW200 or XT225, or even a Super Sherpa. I'm kind of wishing I had a bike with a low center of gravity, lower weight, and something I can straddle and flat foot with rather than a tall bike that I need to keep momentum up just to maintain balance. Maybe I'm getting too old and cautious, but I don't need any hard crashes in the middle of nowhere when I'm by myself.

    Edit... for example, on the Penoke trail in the Allegheny National Forest I chose a bad path up a rocky hill climb... I was going down on the downward side of the hill and had to bail. Holy crap I was in a bad spot with the DRZ... lifting well over 300lbs from a down hill 35 degree slope, alone, and I was thoroughly wiped after that ordeal. A good trail, but too tough on a DRZ when you screw up.
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    " but now I am old and fragile so I have slowed down. I have no interest in high speed trail running -- sure, I have been known to run gravel roads at extreme rates of speed -- but I am just as happy crawling along the trails slowly. " Sounds just like me, Visser. (lol) We should get together again.
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  13. Chef

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    Yes, it is real. Oftr has announced it on Facebook.
    It is my understanding that it is now up to individual municipalities to approve green plated bikes to use roads to connect trails.
    That being said there are municipalities that still haven’t approved atv’s.

    I guess it will still be a process.
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    I follow a couple ATV organizations on Fakebook, and from the postings I've seen it looks like council after council either have passed bills to allow green plated ATVs on the roads or the bills are coming up soon. I've mostly seen this on OFATV pages.

    If you live in an area with trails, please check if your local council has any bills regarding green plated vehicles coming soon and see what you can do to have bikes included.
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    Visser

    The OFTR and the areas with local clubs (SCORRA, BMA etc) will be approaching the local town councils and townships and have a detailed plan in place to get this accomplished. It may be a better idea to approach your local OFTR club to see If there is a way that you can assist rather than approach town council on your own.

    There have been some very strong volunteers who have been working on this project for some time now, I recommend waiting to hear from either the OFTR or the local clubs on the next steps and how individuals can help.

    Thank you to the Executive from the OFTR and those local club volunteers who have gotten us this far!
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    Chef. What was announced is that the a bill was introduced to amend the act to allow municipalities to do this if they so choose. The bill has not passed yet and there will be some work to do to best position the OFTR and clubs for success in asking municipalities for permission once it does. It’s excellent news and great progress thanks to the hard work of the OFTR but please be patient And wait until there is more news and a plan