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Do you think that the ODSC should actively participate in and promote the building, development and

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  1. BillO

    BillO Limited User

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    We are running out places to ride off road. As a group, off road motorcyclists seem to be a good way behind the curve when it comes to getting recognized as valid trail users and we constantly face the threat of having our riding privileges removed. Under Ontario law, we have the right to build new trails on general use crown lands, and also under Ontario law, those that build and maintain the trails have the final say in who uses them.

    Maybe its time we stopped trying to piggy back on the work of others and begin to create a trail system that best suits our purposes. I believe that organizations such as the ODSC, OFTR and the other clubs should be actively building and maintaining trails.
  2. Anonymous

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    That's fantastic, we definitely should be taking advantage!
    How do we vote here?

    I'm Keen!

    OK it just became evident, I'm on a different computer and was not logged on, as soon as I posted, being logged on, the voting box was now active at the top. Well let me vote.

    I'd be interested in the reasoning behind any no votes if the people would be willing to discuss.
  3. crazyfrog

    crazyfrog Limited User

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    Sure count me in as well!
  4. Randy_K

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    where

    A work day, sounds like fun. Can i bring my BBQ ?

    where & when

    R & C :moped:
  5. Anonymous

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    Seeing as this thread was from 2005 I wouild say you are a little late
  6. crazyfrog

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    Better late then never.
  7. Jkelly525

    Jkelly525 Limited User

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    I am originally from Bill's area (Bracebridge) and I have been down in the London/Belmont area since about 1998. Although I am not sure, me thinks the availability of crown land around southern Ontario is not what its like up in my old stomping grounds (where I still stomp every chance I get :wink: )
    Me and the Dirt Diggler (who currently hails from up there) were actually just discussing our own plans of doing exactly what Bill was suggesting, way back in 2005. In fact, 'dirty' has actually got his hands on some current land tenure maps for the area and we will be deciding where we will start our trail cutting in short order. There is a permit process which needs to be followed, but as explained to me by the 'diggly one', it is relativley easy and cheap....both good things 8) .
    So I guess we will pass on all the voting bits and just 'get er dun' :lol: .

    Stay tuned and we will keep you posted on our progress. I just bought a GPS so hopefully I will figure out how to use it and will be able to start publishing waypoints for the good people of the ODSC and the OFTR...guess I better get around to joining up with one of these outfits soon :roll: .

    Now, I just need to get this one past the boss.........
    :shock:
  8. Jkelly525

    Jkelly525 Limited User

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    not that I really need to take the poll attached to this string....but how do you do it?
  9. BillO

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    If you mean, how do you build trails then, I usually find a likely spot, walk through and mark a loop with little bits of red ribbon, then come back and ride it.

    Not just anywhere will do, as you can’t cut trees. So the area needs to be open enough to be able to lay out a course that can just be ridden through.

    Once the loop has been ridden in (20-30 laps), just remove the ribbon. You can continue to add loops in this fashion. Be careful, as when you are walking the course to survey and lay it out, you can easily make the turns too tight to be ridden well.

    You also need to be sure that that kind of activity is acceptable in the area. Check the Ontario land use map. Anything south of about North Bay and you will need a permit. This is a grey area as, for this kind of trail (natural surface), there is really no way to properly fill out the application. Just explain what you want to do and hope they don’t mind.

    I’ve spoken to MNR personnel about this and they told me that in most cases the application is a formality. They said that if there is no removal of trees, no requirement to lay down a surface, no bridge building, no close approach to private property and that the land use for the area permits motorized vehicles, then there should be no issue with permission what so ever.

    I was going to apply this summer. I even got the application sent to me. The only thing is work was so busy I was unable to take the time off. Maybe next year.
  10. Big Doug

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    If you guys have received the OFTR - FW: Ontario Trails Council Newsletter as a OFTR mass email today, you'll see there's a good article on VMUTS, which is the Mattawa area ATV trails.

    They've done exactly what you are proposing...new trails on crown land.

    Whoever is thinking of doing this might do well to give Glen Draper a ring to see if there's any advice he can give you.

    Contact info is here http://www.vmuts.com/contact.html