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  1. DM

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    But we do support the farmers, well at least I really do, and I bet 99% of Canadians do, so why punish us? .

    Bottom line again: it is not Canadians, it's the EU (mainly France) and USA farm subsidies that are supported by the EU and USA farmers who get those subsidies that are the problem. We need to find a way to punish them - not each other.

    This reminds me of someone getting yelled at by the boss at work, then coming home and taking out on the family. It doesn't help.
  2. MxTrack

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    That is why the farmers are announcing their strategy now so that the snowmobile will voice their opinions to the government ASAP so that the trails won't get shut down for next season

    It's the number of people that will make the difference here. There is not enough farmers to make a difference.

    It's like the off-road industry when it comes to land issues. Only 10% of the riders will try to make a difference. The other 90% just don't care until it affects them.
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    It's like the off-road industry when it comes to land issues. Only 10% of the riders will try to make a difference. The other 90% just don't care until it affects them.[/quote]

    How true that is :!: :!:

    Farmers are a small minority and getting smaller, part of the population. Most people will not care till the grocers shelves run dry, then they'll ask why before all hell breaks loose.
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    If the farmers think that this is going to work, they are in for a rude awakening. The Govt doesnt care about the farmers and it cares even less about snowmobilers.

    I know that prices are low for some cash crops right now, but there are farmers making a decent living right now. How are they doing it? My father in law is a very successful farmer but he growing some different crops instead of the same old beans and corn. Farmers need to look outside the box if they want to succeed. Things like ginseng, garlic, turnips, tomatoes etc, can be very lucrative. Chicken farmers are making a piss pot of money right now and the dairy farmers have had several very good years as well.

    There was a big farmer protest in Stratford last fall at the fairgrounds. On the front page of the paper was a picture of the lot where all the farmers were parked. The newspaper made comment to the fact that the lot was full of new Ext Z71s, Yukons, Dodge Quad Cab Diesels etc.
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    Amen Scott, When my family and I ran the Lumberyard, I used to have a few customers that boarded horses only on their farms. They then rented out a few acres for cash crops to other area farmers. What always :evil: pissed me off was seeing them in a new high dollar PU or SUV towing a horse trailer and getting the discount Ontario Farm Lic Plate for the vehicle. I thought real farmers needed a break on the plate costs, but here's some people who bassically own property, work in town and board horses and get the discount. :p Hey, if I buy some property, I'll let you keep all those GAS GAS's at my place, we'll give them all names, keep a pile of horse crap outside, a derelict horse trailer in the yard and we'll go after the discount plates too. Honest I won't ride them more than one day a week. And I'll wash them and feed them the best fuel and oil.
    What do you think Scott! LOL
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    Well, MxTrack, I really do hope that the farmers who are hurting find some way out of this. Just like I hope that some of the people who live in cities and can't find real, decent jobs, find a way out of their dilema.

    But, if you take the responses here as any indication, you will see that you are hurting those that support you, weaking the support you already have. If my neighbor, who lost his business due to a fire, tried to take out his frustration on me for his situation, he would loose the support I try to offer. And that my friend, is worth considering. All the best.
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    LOL - I've thinking lately that dirt bikers are becoming like the horsie set. With the cost and all, trailering their babies all over trying to find a place to ride, people whining about the smell and trial damage, for pleasure riding only on the weekends. Any room for Sasha (my Gas Gas pure bred) in the stable? Sounds like you'd care for her properly. Pip pip, chereo.
  8. MxTrack

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    Let say we can agree and disagree. I really don't want to debate this but you can't judge people how much money they have because they drive a big expensive vehicles. Look at how many people that have huge credit card debit, line credit rack up and a high mortgage and they still mange to drive an expensive vehicle.

    DM Don't get mad at me for asking this but how do you support your local farmer? Just curious

    Connie
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    Connie, thanks for asking.

    1- Each weekend, we go out and shop at the roadside stands in farming country in the summer and fall, and the farmers market other times of year.

    2- I actually will buy Ontario over other produce, and Canadian over other if possible. I was shopping friday and had a choice of Grand Bend grown potatoes or PEI - I took the local, Grand Bend.

    3- I buy expensive organic chicken liver for my cat, raised locally, sold at my local farmers co-op, even though it costs me way more than grocery store liver.

    4- We buy, organic milk, cream and cheese at the local health food store -even though it costs way, way more - it's from independant local farmers.

    5 - When I'm out riding, I respect the land.

    Why do I do this? I have come to strongly believe that a sound economy requires, among many things, stable, local, independant food production based on sound farming practices that don't ruin the land. All past cultures that lost local, healthy food production dwindled in time - without exception.

    My big fear with this new trail closing campain, is that all of us who are on the same side, will end up bickering, resenting the other, and we'll both lose. Remember, dirt bikers & sleders are hated already by environmentalists, government, police, insurance companies and who knows else. We get really resentful when we feel we are being unjustly targeted by yet another group - especially when we have nothing to do with it.

    But, I still will buy local. -d
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    I do the same as DM even if it costs more.

    ALL our fresh meat is bought at the local farmers market in Stratford and 90% of our fresh veggies come from there. I buy my eggs from a local farmer as well.
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    Farmer or Joe Consumer, if you can afford the expensive SUV's then you shouldn't be complaining about how tough it is to make a living. You're not going to get much sympathy from the general public.

    BTW, our grocery shelves will never be empty if Cdn farmers stopped growing food, it would just be imported. Like much of it is now. I don't agree with it, I prefer fresh and I also support my local farmer.
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    DM;Very Cool- Someone or an organization should educate the public about what you'd outlined as per the real deal on oil/gas prices.... My take and uderstanding is probably what many think..... It's always interesting when the real facts are heard. Great reply and thanks for the education. Most excellent stuff DM !
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    I see Farmers are still talking about closing the trails down that cross there land for the '06-'07 season. Mid Nov. should tell the tale.

    All about getting the attention of government.
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    Sounds as though it is a Huron County issue more than anywhere else.

    Funny that one of the guys who is complaining that he cant make money farming is a guy who is a multi millionaire who owns over 2000 acres of land. :twisted:
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    Good luck. What a bonehead idea.

    This is the best they can come up with??
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    I'm in no hurry to buy a trail pass yet, or update my 10 year old sled. Figure prices here in Huron will be dropping soon as guys find out they have nowhere to ride. :-k

    I personally think they are :deadhorse:
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    Not surprised at all, Land owners get nothing in return but grief for the use of there land. I ride my sled mostly in the muskoka and I am always trying to lend a hand to help maitain the integrity and code of conduct. If i see someone missusing the trails, he does not get away with. I warn him and then report him to the authority having durisdiction.

    There is always a yahoo around.
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    It may not seem like it, but it is in the land owners best interest to allow the clubs to use (maintain & groom) the trails on their land.

    The land owners get to wipe their hands clean of the liability if someone crashes on the trail. This is covered by the snowmobile club. If the land owner chooses not to let the clubs use the trails, they are liable and can be sued if someone trespasses onto their land and gets hurt.

    It is this liability insurance that has driven up the price of a trail pass year after year.
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    I think that this part 'If the land owner chooses not to let the clubs use the trails, they are liable and can be sued if someone trespasses onto their land and gets hurt' is only applicable when the trails are open for sleds and the OFSC has them marked. The rest of the year, is open season for lawyers and goofs that try to sue.
    The real solution is to remove the ability for someone to sue when they are ultimately responsible for their own actions... which this is to address
    http://www.protectourvolunteers.ca/
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    I wonder how this protest is coming along since there is no snow! :D