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  1. ScottyR

    ScottyR Limited User

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    Only 3 major landowners actually have followed through with the protest.

    1 in Varna, 1 in Blyth and 1 in the Palmerston/Listowel area.

    In all cases the snowmobile clubs have been able to re-route the trails with minimal fuss.
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    erussell Limited User

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    I have seen some of the "rerouting" and it is not that good. Looks like the solution was to run the sleds down the road. Nice!
    There are spots where farmers allowed the clubs to stake the trails and then after posted "Farmers feed Cities" signs at the property lines in the middle of the trail to stop entrance. One that I can think of has a large No Trespassing sign under the "Farmer feed Cities" sign.
    IMHO if there ever is enough snow to ride there may be some conflicts arise.

    Donald, is Bev Hill allowing snowmobilers? Just wonder if he is the land owner near Varna that has closed the trails.
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    I live in the midwest and know a quite a few farmers. The ones I know tell me that running a farm is much like running a company. If you miss manage your funds or economy fails good chance you will go broke.As it is in business. And for those of us that have a job. If we lose our job do we expect the government to kick in. NO! So why punish the genral public for their poor managment skills. :?:
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    ScottyR Limited User

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    Bev Hill is NOT allowing snowmobilers on his property. Unfortunately, he owns or rents a lot of property that the trail crosses so the trails around Varna/Bayfield are screwed up. The trails around Mitchell are same as last year.

    This protest has caused a lot of tension between farmers as a lot of them are snowmobilers and dont want to close their land as they use the other trails across Ontario.

    I do know of some farmers who have told Bev Hill they will be buying their seed from someone else next season because of his protest.
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    If the government jacks up your property taxes and makes everything so prohibitive to make a living unless you are a 10,000 acre super farm, who would you blame ?
    If nobody is giving you any reason to keep your 200acre farm going, why help others who use it ? (often when you do not want them there) Its not a direct approach, but it does open others eyes to their problems. The fact that mom & pop farms are being driven out of business by the government regs that help promote huge operations is not new.
    When we are all fed by one super farm and they get some bird flu or semonilla outbreak that shuts them down, maybe then the gov would see what they have developed. The lucky farmers near cities have only one way out it seems. Sell their property to a subdivision developer. And the cycle continues.
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    gybeman Limited User

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    As much as I feel for the farmers, this plan obviously backfired, except that their winter wheat may be doing well.
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    But the ATV traffic/tresspass is being a problem this year.....not good for winter wheat plus with the little snow that is not very good for the wheat crop...no insulation. Flip side in the spring farmers will all be planting corn $$$$$$$$$$to feed the ethanol plants.
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    Although it may be easy to blame the farmers troubles on unfair competion from the US and other producing countries I am not so sure.
    As an example McCain Foods from Florenceville NB,probably the worlds largest producer of french fries also owns Mapleleaf Foods,Shurgain Feeds,Larsons Meat Packers.My point here is that the farmers have become dependent on large single companies to not only sell their products to but also to buy their feed from and provide a market for their products.Look at it this way...If you were producing chickens and you bought your chicks from the same company who you had to buy your feed from from and this same company processed your grown chickens and also this same company controlled the price you got for your chickens because they were the ones who had the quota so you sell the chickens to the stores.Who do you think determines how much money the farmer makes.It is not the US,it is corporate Canada with the GOV in their pocket.
  9. 3BeeJay3

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    Actually McCain and Maple Leaf are 2 completely separate companies, but your point about their relationship with farmers is oh so very true.

    In many ways farmers are their own worst enemies. They buy their supplies retail and sell their finished products wholesale. Couple that with commodity products that are indistiguishable from the same products produced by hundreds of thousands of other farmers, many with different cost basis' and you have a recipe for disaster. When you produce a commodity product, you are always at the mercy of your dumbest or most heavily subsidized competitor.

    BJ
  10. Anonymous

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    Michael McCain is the CEO of Maple Leaf and he purchased Maple Leaf many years ago (now a public company) after a falling out with the side of the family that controlled McCain Foods....so yes they are very different companies (but Maple Leaf does own Shur Gain, Larson, Schneiders, Mitchells, Canada Bread (which owns Bens, McGavins, Olafsons, Dempsters) etc...).