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  1. BinzerBob

    BinzerBob Limited User

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    Yes this sounds like a very good plan +1.

    With this plan of action all we have to maintain is that our members stay out of the forest.
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    which we all probably were going to anyways. No use driving all the way there for 8km.

    So it would just be the local members we have in the area. Which i assume would also probably rather ride the ganny than 8km.
  3. BinzerBob

    BinzerBob Limited User

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    Yes this is very likely true. However, when one thinks about a Dual Sport ride having 8km of trail between road sections seems to fit into the mix of Dual Sport. For sure I am not advocating closing all areas down to 8km stretches it is just one way of thinking about the situation (Duality Nature of the beast).

    Northumberland was a very nice place to ride and enjoy spectacular Ontario wooded scenery. As the surrounding area population grows the local municipal government will likely start to take packets of land to sustain the urban growth (and rake in Tax money). I would not be surprised if what ever Northumberland forest there is there now, if in 50 years there will be less than half of its area available as wooded land. (here is Toronto, Downsview park started off as a 600 acre wonderful wooded/grass open space park. There is a pack of coyotes living right in the middle of the park sustaining themselves in the biodiversity .,today there are plans from city council to allow for 400 acres of high rise development and less than 200 acres of park land. This will be Northumberland in 50 years.).

    There just seems to be a bizarre mechanism used to take away land and give it to developers, and it is my simplistic view that the motivation is always politically fueled. There is a divide and concur approach; Dirt Bikers pitted against Horse People etc.

    In 50 years I would not be surprised if it is possible to buy a house in the middle of what was once single track at Northumberland. I would not like to see this but it will likely happen. Very sad. (I hope we keep GPS file archives of the trial within northumberland so that we can one day throw it in the greenies faces).

    I would like to fight as we did to keep riding spaces open and in so doing keeping the green space alive. I guess many don't see it this way. I wonder what will happen to the coyote pack at Downsview Park?
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    So, since I'm a tax paying citizen of Northumberland, do I get free membership in OFTR? Since the OFTR is making money off of land that my property taxes pays for, but I have to be a member of the OFTR to ride there?

    My tax dollars go directly into paying for that forest. How do OFTR dollars go into paying for that forest?

    I would have NO problem paying $200 a year for membership in an organization that provides a far-ranging selections of trails to ride. Actually, it should be even less than that, because OFSC dues largely go towards paying for grooming services, which we don't have. Instead, I have to pay $80 to ride 8km of trails? Pfft.

    I agree with this. Just walk away. I'll do my part to be one of the yahoos who make them realize that kicking out the organized bikers was a bad idea. ;)
  5. BinzerBob

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    Ya know it always puzzles me how after a particular date something happens in government, a law is passed or proposed, and after that point all of a sudden once something that was considered legal and acceptable all of a sudden become illegal and a taboo.

    So for 30 or more years it was totally legal to ride there and now all of a relatively sudden we are out. What about 30 years ago, why was it ok then? maybe it should not ever have been ok? If the governments position is the way it currently is, then the government (all 3 levels) should outright ban trail riding. That is my opinion. Either have a system to allow the sport in an equitable way or get rid of it. Don't put up road blocks when it is good for the government to do so (IE get municipal votes etc).

    I suggested many times before, we should have a protest at Queens park. Take our bikes there all of 10 of them or 1,000 of them and ride around downtown toronto around queens park and talk to MPP.
  6. DMignon

    DMignon Ride Organizer

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    Or fight it in court.
  7. BinzerBob

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    Sometimes I need to rant so if ya don't want to read below just stop now and continue on with a nice day :) .

    Yes this is what I would put my hand up for as well "fight in court". It is discrimination that is affecting our group. Our relatively small group of riders are being discriminated against and forced out of places that we are/were legally allowed to ride.

    Our sport is currently defined as legal, so we partake in an enjoyable activity within the confines of what is allowed. Then all of a sudden we find ourselves surrounded by a majority of other users who tell us that we are not welcome in these areas anymore.

    The "allowed anymore" part is the discrimination part of the whole equation. We were allowed for many years in those areas because we are not a significant environment damaging sport (every human activity is environmentally damaging to some degree ie hiking, horseback riding, driving our cars on roads going to Cuba with the airplane (that flies over my house!!)). Then at one point in time our activity is considered extremely environmentally damaging by other user groups and mostly based on this argument we are forced out of our riding areas? What gives. My opinion is that there is a serious issue that has to be resolved in the law when identifying our sport and where we can ride.

    Currently my understanding of the law is that we are allowed to ride anywhere that there is no one else or no other user group other than us who wants to use the same space (we are using). For example we are mostly allowed to ride in places that there is no bylaw stating otherwise. Now doesn't that sound like discrimination?!!! Aren't there human right laws that are being stepped on here?!!!

    I would guess that we can have many places to ride in Haliburton or even Eliot lake area. Only because no one is around to want to use the same space as us right now over there. (This will change in 10 years from now and we will find that we did not invest in our own riding land/areas to secure our sport's future, and also that we lost fights due to discrimination over existing riding areas.)

    What ever I guess, have a nice day :) .