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  1. 400 KTM Pilot

    400 KTM Pilot Limited User

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    FYI, this is from an ATV website, I was out there today, security is there.

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Just an update to all the Durham users and visitors to Durham. Test Hill (Murphy rd and Boundary) Burketon area is now off limits.

    The land has been donated by the land owners to the Region of Durham and the City of Kawartha Lakes Conservation Authority will manage the property. Canadian Shield Security will be on site 24/7 to patrol the property. Signage will be erected to state "Conservation Area" no entry and trespassers will charged.

    It appears that the plans to rehab, allow horses and hikers, snowmobiles and eventually ATV's and Dirt bikes. There will be a user cost associated with the use of the land. As more details become available I will post more info.

    For now be warned to stay out and show that we ATVer will show some class and our time will come to ride. Maybe we can organize a clean up with the Conservation Authority or help in some way as a group!!!
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  4. Bill

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    Bikes kicked out

    Two people I know went to Raglan pits on monday ,at seperate times, with the intention of riding from the pits to the Ganny and back (not riding in the pits or the Ganny) along the unassumed roads/back roads. The police were at the pits and would not allow either one of them to ride their bikes on the road (Boundry rd ?) even thought both have street plates, insurance, bike licence. The police say no bikes are allowed in the area. They also gave these guy's a hassle over their tires as they are knobbies. The riders pointed out that the tires are DOT but the police wouldn't believe it even though DOT approved is on the tires. As all this was going on two ATV's came along and the police just waved them by ! The police said it's o.k for ATVs because of a ByLaw allowing ATV's to ride on certain backroads/trails but not bikes. I've also heard that up around Kinmount that ATV's can buy passes to ride the trails but bikes are not allowed even if they are streetlegal. Doesn't sound good !! :x
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    I did go threw Raglan pit zone on consesion 19 to Old Scugog road and did not see the police and did not tresspass, but I did see a Police van with a trailer hooked up to it, looks like they got there own ATV to catch tresspassers. Therefore I did not get the opertunity to speek to them.

    Still waiting on a response from Durham region Police and the OFTR.

    Cheers
  6. BRP AL

    BRP AL Limited User

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    Boundary rd and Durham 57

    I rode across Boundary Rd this afternoon and was stopped by Durham police just before Durham 57. We had street plates on our bikes so they let us through and told us to stay out of Raglan pits but that we are allowed to use the road allowances( because our bikes are street legal).
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    That's How they should of handled the two other members that tryed to do the same ealyer last week.

    They would not let them threw, police had told them no bikes allowed, and they let two ATV's threw at that time.

    Like I said, I also went threw on Sunday around12:30 and did not see any cops but there was a police van on #19 near Scugog as you said with trailer empty. So they are cruising around as they should.

    Stay out of the pits.

    Cheers

    Thanks
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    Re: Bikes kicked out

    Bill, are you referring to the rail trail or the rest of the Cord/Crystal Lake trails ?
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    Trail pass

    I heard the ATV's need a pass for all the trails in Kinmount/Crystal Lake but you know how stories tend to change when passed person to person.
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    Re: Trail pass

    Especially when the wider trails are frequented by full size rock crawler 4x4's and street legal jeeps.
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    FYI

    Staff Sergeant Alan Mack, Responded to my Email today as follow:

    Conrad,
    I have forwarded your message to Inspector Bruce Townley who is the Officer in Charge of the North Durham Division. I trust he will respond to your request.

    Regards, Alan
    Staff Sergeant Alan Mack
    Durham Regional Police Service
    Regional Support
    905-579-1520 ext. 4440
  12. crazyfrog

    crazyfrog Limited User

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    Gentleman, this is the responce I got from the Officer in Charge Inspector J. B. Townley of the 15 Division North Durham.



    J.B. Townley Wrote:

    Conrad…Please find the response from my Officer who was in the Pitts area on the weekend.

    In reply to this message, we were not in that area at all on Monday, we were however in the area on Sunday April 29th 2007.

    We stopped well over 175 vehicles in the pits area and on Boundary Road from Coates Road through to Murphy Road. I do recall stopping approximately four dirt bikes that were plated and legal for the road. All other dirt bikes and ATV's were stopped and cautioned that they were not permitted on Boundary Road. Any vehicle that was found to be in the pit area was requested to leave as this is private property. There were quite a few of the vehicles that were plated as off-road vehicles. Off road vehicle plates are white with green numbers. Anyone with a plate for off-road were advised that they could not be on the road

    There is no By-law in place in Scugog Township or in any other Durham Region Township for that matter, which allows ATV's on any road at any time.

    No ATV's were waved on at any time; all vehicles were stopped, regardless if we already had someone else stopped.

    The message reads as if it comes from second hand information, yet the writer then writes as if he was one of the riders. If the gentleman would like to speak with me in regards to the regulations for the Highway Traffic Act and the Off Road Motor Vehicle Act, I would be more than happy to speak with him.

    Hope this helps,

    Regards,

    J. B. Townley
    Inspector
    Officer in Charge
    15 Division North Durham
  13. Bill

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    raglan

    interesting..I'll have to call my friend that had the problem and see what he say's.
  14. shawn DRZ400s

    shawn DRZ400s ODSC-OFTR Member

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    It's sad that all out trails are being closed. The region is really trying hard using many tactics to acquire all the land from the owners. Let's hope the land is returned to enthusiasts like ourselves who can actually make use and appreciate these 'barren lands'. Really who else can use this land? No joggers or cyclist can go through deep sand. I can agree with keeping out large vehicles, it's the only way to prevent people from burning and ditching them. If the region has their way whats to stop them from turning this into a park? Parks aren't a good thing, the first thing they would do is PAVE all the trails. If the region truly wanted to 'conserve' perhaps they should re-think turning all the farm and green lands into subdivisions!! Hypocrites!! What's the environmental impact of land being turned into a subdivision vs land being used to all terrain vehicles? Hmmm I believe I understand what GREEN the region truly is concerned with…$$
    I suppose the best outcome for this particular case would be for these areas in question to be somehow made part of the Ganaraska Forest. More people would be buying 100$ passes, this would easily pay for the trail signage and barriers that would have to be erected.
    I also believe that the region should assume some cost associated. Let's consider what the region spends alone in parks just on swing sets and monkey bars, grounds keeping, building a tennis court, lights for the courts or soccer and baseball fields. We also have a sport and have the same rights. The gov.gets plenty of tax $ generated from our sport and let's not forget the cost of our license plate sticker that we buy every year. We aren't really riding on the roads/highways so shouldn't that money be spend on where we do ride? Makes sense to me.
  15. gybeman

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    Idealistic thinking, and that idea is already being used in various parts of the US (where they aren't having the same BS problems as here), plus they include the fuel tax money that that is spent for recreational use.... but this is Canada. I thought we were supposed to be the forward thinking ones.
    Here money is grabbed from all sorts of places and then spent on totally unrelated projects. (ex: gas tax to pay for healthcare and schools... isn't that why we pay property and income tax ?) Meanwhile, the roads go to crap cause they don't spend that money on what it should be used on.
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    Another Update;

    OFTR Response as follows:

    Conrad,

    Un-assumed roads are controlled by the municipality and they need to pass a by-law indicating that motorized vehicles are not allowed. Otherwise it is public land. Check with your municipality and specifically ask if there is a by-law. Also, ask if they intend to pass one and that you would like to be informed, let me know and the OFTR will address the local government.

    ATVs only have permission to ride on specific roads IF the municipality has passed a by-law allowing them to do so. The OFTR is addressing this Section 316 of the HTA to see if we can get inclusion.

    Kinmount to Haliburton rail trail – The OFTR is looking at entering into a use agreement for the rail trail. You are allowed to ride any crown land in the area until then.

    The OFTR is working with the Ontario Trails Council to provide a website of “Where to ride” and we are asking riders and clubs to make submissions. http://www.ontariotrails.on.ca/

    In the meantime, check out the Trail Ride Series on our website. Some rides are “Kid Friendly” http://www.oftr.ca/riding.asp

    Hope that helps.
    Ken Hoeverman
    Executive Director
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    t:(705)447-3110 f:(705)447-3150
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  17. junior

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    Just to add something to this discussion, I live in the area and was recently stopped by Durham's finest. I was exiting the trail in Burketon and was abruptly stopped by the police. They were quite rude and beligerant to me but I remained calm cool and collected. After all the threats and such, I began to explain to them that I was travelling the "unopened public road allowance" and did not go onto anyone's property. Therefore, you cannot charge me with trespassing as I drive a legal bike plated for the road. I told the police officer that for all intensive purposes, I could have drove anything I wanted through there and legally there is absolutely nothing they can do about it until I leave that 20m public road allowance. I honestly think the police did not know what to say....mostly because I am right and they - and the rent-a-cops patrolling the area - are trying to use scare tactics to discourage people from riding there. Problem with that is that in my humble opinion, there are painting everyone with the same broad brush and that is unfair.

    I was let go without a ticket or further incident and was told that they were going to look into my claim.

    Just something to keep in mind in case you get stopped in the area.
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    Not sure how you came to that conclusion as the OFTR didn't ban anyone. They are only asking people to stay out of certain areas and respect the process underway. Raglan etc. is a disaster area- just like St. Williams has become. That's what happens when there's no controls or stewardship in place.
    It's not suprising we have such an uphill battle and why the general public has developed the perceptions they have.
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    All negativity erased :^o