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  1. gybeman

    gybeman Limited User

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    I also found the wording very odd. It does open the door for it to be used against us in the future. It would have been much more relavent if the OFTR just agreed that tresspassing on the private land was the issue, left it at that, and will help work to fix it.
    As for Richard's quarry comments he is right on. I know of an area (at least 1000acres) west of Mosport that had been a family managed forest and wood mill for decades. They cashed in and sold it to the quarry for many,many millions. The clear cutting started almost immediately. Yes its in the precious morraine.
    In fact the whole tract of morraine is littered with quarries from one end to the other. Its funny how a trail thru the forest isn't allowed, but a 300ft deep hole down to the water table is ok.
  2. SteveP

    SteveP Ride Organizer

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    Has anyone contacted Ken yet? The wording is not the best. It's possible to retract a statement, or clarify.
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    I've talked to Ken and agree with their stand. There was a call for stewardship and no clubs stepped forward. Also, the conservation groups have invested a huge amount of time and money cleaning up a mess. It wouldn't be fair or appropriate for us to ask to piggy back on that without a stewardship progarm in place 10 years ago.

    Richard-

    As per Ken H., you are welcome to call him to clarify why this issue is being handled this way. Please post after you have done so.
  4. SteveP

    SteveP Ride Organizer

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    I'm hoping there is something "strategic" in his statement and plans.
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    all negativity erased

    bad me
  6. Dizzy

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    I encourage you contact Ken and to re-read the OFTR website and visit the KRCA site. The OFTR indicated: "We wrote them a letter stating that we are willing to help if they have any users of ORMs that want to get involved, we have a few responses from OFTR members that were interested in cleaning up the Raglan Pits which is private property." The OFTR directors discussed this as a fair position and respect for KRCA who have invested significantly in this area. The rest is essentially re-stated from the KRCA site.

    Kawartha Conservation is currently in the process of creating a management plan for a multi-use conservation area. In order to restore sections of the property that have suffered environmental damage, the area has been secured and no trespassing is permitted. Riding there is not legal so very different than Ganaraska or Northumberland.

    The OFTR has in fact protected your right to ride in legal areas and has shown leadership by recognising KRCA's contribution and investment in the area. Don't forget that the OFTR has argued for continued access to areas like Northumberland, Ganaraska, Simcoe, etc. based on the fact that legal (through agreements or policies) riding had been going on there since well before the laws regarding current uses in the Moraine were in effect. No such agreements are, or have been, in place in this area so it is illegal regardless of any fight to gain access.
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    As Dizzy mentioned, call Ken directly about any issues with the news release.
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    You know Raglan was the only place I ever new about 20 years ago. Back then there were illegal garbage dumps made there of tires, shingles etc. I don't think anything has ever changed. I don't think it became like that. From what I saw it was always like that.

    It is likely that the dumping guys made the dirtbike trails for us.

    I don't know what changed. Just my 2 cents.
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    To clairify some issues brought up to me;

    I don't necessarily agree with some of the wording used in the news release(along with many others), and feel that some of the wording used could/should be adjusted/changed. I should have been more clear about that. As mentioned before, people should contact the OFTR and voice their thoughts. They do work for all of us, after all
    That being said, I do agree with the rationale behind the OFTR position on the pieces of land in question.
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    I was working with Ken today at the OFTR Trailer. As of today no one has contacted him about this issue.

    Randy
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    After all is said, I ride a Dual purpose bike that is legal to ride on any public roads, and Boundary road is no exception and it is my legal right to do so, and I do at least two to three times a week and I never get stopped.
    But I will tell you what the problem is>>> When I ride threw that area, I see lots of dirt bikes and quads going on that road and also trespassing on adjacent property, and that is why the cops are doing what there doing. [-X

    Therefore if your one of those idiot, grow up and load your bike back in your truck and go ride the Ganny or Northumberland, that is what I do when I take by other bike witch happen to be a dirt bike, I pay $100 plus insurance and ride legally and respect others. :|

    Just grow up. :oops:
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    well said Crazyfrog! =D> If only they would listen!
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    Brian, I am glad you clarified your earlier statment and stance. I personally cannot see how Ken would justify the morons doing damage sentence. I agree that the OFTR should be frowning on renegade/reckless,illegal riding. But, that couple sentences really got to me.

    Randy, I will be contacting him, was just too busy today. I hope others do as well. Steve
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    You know I would like to add a little bit more.. Like I said 20 years ago I did ride Raglan. At that time I had no clue if it was legal to ride there, as there were no signs at all saying otherwise (I never saw one sign). At that time I had no clue where to ride period (I saw not one sign anywhere saying I could ride or could not ride).

    Had I known about Ganni or the Northhumberland back then I would not even consider going near Raglan, because in comparison Raglan had very little to offer . When I discovered Ganni it was as if I had died and goon to heaven. I could not believe such a place existed. it was unreal.

    Maybe many of the yahoos in Raglan don't know about Ganni and Northhumberland? And one other thing. Do we want these Yahoo's in Ganni and Northhumberland to cause many problems there .... Loud Bikes ... No insurance ... no respect for the due process? Really we need stewardship.... don't know how to do it though, but I believe much of it has to come from Government in the form of enforcement.

    Is there anyone in this forum who rides Raglan or who know people who ride there that can offer some sort of excuse or explanation or rebuttal in this Tread?

    I see it is that the OPP or the Police that are not doing their jobs (fire them). That simple. They allow a situation to exist, when there are easy ways of stopping it. Mabye it is done on purpose so that the green people have an argument to ban the whole lot of us quiet law abiding riders from any area of forests. :idea: It is the Masons I tell you the Masons. :idea:
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    Today there is no excuses for not nowing were to ride. Twenty five years ago things were different, and people respected one another allot more back in the day.
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    Boundary Road is now plastered with "No Trespassing" signs. Does that mean it is now a "Private Road" and therefore not under the jurisdiction of any municipal bylaw?
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    I do believe its the woods on either side .Boundry rd is still a public rd when i was pulled over on it there was nothing the Durham cop said about me being there.He was only concerned with my paperwork.