1. A $20 ODSC-ADV membership is now available as an alternative to the standard $65 ODSC-OFTR membership, details via the JOIN button
  1. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    1) Links open in new pages
    2) Easier to post pictures, can be done from phones and tablets
    3) Pictures are resized on upload
    4) More phone and tablet friendly due to responsive styling
    5) Easy to imbed videos from YouTube, Vimeo etc. (does not need embed code, just use the video address)
    6) Alerts/notifications sent to users on topic reply or PM reply
    7) PM reply box is styled exactly like the topic reply box, easier to use on a phone
    8) Drafts are saved every minute so you won't lose a whole post if lose your internet connection
    9) Easier to admin regarding template modifications and styling
    10) Separate test forum allows experimentation so the public forum has less disruption
    11) Xenforo has a much better technical support forum (the software developers actually participate)
    12) Xenforo has a far greater future potential than phpBB3

    The styling and colours may not be to everyone's liking. I've experimented more and have found that some changes will really mess up the layout. The important thing is that the site functions OK. I will continue to make small adjustments as time goes by. Please feel free to post about any problems you have.
  2. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    Also;

    Some new functionality that we didn't have before:
    - like buttons on each post.
    - notifications when your post gets quoted, or responded to.
    - Facebook and other social media capability and functionality(some still to be added)
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  3. plex

    plex Limited User

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    Someone recently posted:
    The ODSC is not a rich club, our budget is very modest and we operate on very limited resources. We only ask $10 to join, which gives the benefit of full web site access, club liability insurance as well as couple of rides only available to members.

    I'm curious, between Xenforo support costs, hosting costs, domain name, DNS/CDN acceleration, and potential programmer costs, what does the club spend annually on total IT costs? I'll be the first one to acknowledge that admins get no love. It can be a tough job and everyone expects the world. However, it stands to reason that there is always room for improvement, and many have complained about the sites poor response time. I myself have experienced issues simply typing into a textbox on both mobile and laptop - and that is on LTE4 and 100Mbit fiber, respectively. Perhaps another set of eyes could find some fiscal and technical efficiency.
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    The hosting, domain and other associated costs are relatively minor. Most of the technical costs have been graciously supplied via volunteer time, but they would run well into the $'000's if we paid market prices.
    I'm not sure who all is having poor response times, as I have only seen one complaint. Personally I haven't had any issues & use mobile (ipad) and chrome on a desktop.
    The bulk of our membership fees go towards insurance. It's over $5 per member, probably closer to $7 or $8 now. Most of our real revenue comes from sponsors.
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  5. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    Here is an overview of the costs that I am invloved with.
    Other execs manage the expenses that do not have a price shown.
    All prices are without tax.

    Our current IT cost level is fairly reasonable:
    XenForo yearly fee $40.00 US
    Unlimited Business Shared Hosting $266.00 US for 36 months
    ODSC Domain Registration yearly fee $13.25 CDN
    Factoring in the exchange rate our direct internet costs are about $14.00 CDN per month = $168.00 yearly

    But there are other yearly expenses for the club:
    OFTR affiliation fee $250.00 CDN
    President's Council fee $150.00 CDN
    Bike show expenses $260.00 CDN
    There is also club stickers and business cards
    Insurance is the largest single expense

    One time costs:
    XenForo software purchase $190.00 US
    New ODSC Logo design

    PayPal takes their cut on all transactions so we lose a bit there.
    As BJ mentioned, if you put a cost on the volunteer hours, the amount would be very large.
  6. Neil Edmunds

    Neil Edmunds ODSC Executive

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    As to connection issues, there were some problems when we first moved to HostUpon. I talked to their tech support and the issue was with another customer that was on our assigned server. That customer was moved and since then it's been fine. Shared hosting has a specific number of allowed concurrent connections and there will be delays if we hit that limit.

    I have nearly maxed out the available ram when running the forum in debug mode. This is only needed when I create template modifications and that does not happen very often now that everything is set up. I used to check the server error logs regularly, but don't bother now. The majority of errors were "page not found" from phpBB requests. The new host and the new software locations are well propagated so those requests are diminishing.

    A new user recently complained about poor forum access. That was a result of a specific software function that I tested for several hours.

    XenForo will only be "fast" on a dedicated server. There are some really great deals on dedicated VPS hosting, but they are only for self-managed accounts. I am not interested in taking on that extra workload. Managed VPS hosting is too expensive to consider.
  7. Visser

    Visser Limited User

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    What coverage do we have and when does it apply? Or if this is posted somewhere, please let me know.
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    We have liability coverage for Directors and officers. We also have 5 million third party liability coverage for the club and its members for our events and for the members when they are out riding as a club member. This is in addition to similar OFTR coverage.
    Each club member has essentially 3 layers of insurance: the liability they carry on their bike. 5million 3rd party liability thru the club. 5 million 3rd party liability via the OFTR.

    All this insurance doesn't mean that club members can do what they want and ride where they want with impunity. They still have to behave as they are expected to under the HTA, the ORVA and the Club rules. It does mean they do have a lot of extra coverage, as well as 3rd parties having extra coverage when we have events or groups of members going out for club casual rides. 3rd parties would be named land owners, business owners etc. They typically would be named on the policy before the event, or on a land use agreement.
    Non-members and volunteers are covered as well when we have club organized events, such as the Bethany ride etc. They aren't covered when it is just casual rides etc.

    If you're out messing around by yourself, or with a group of people and cause an incident, you're own liability would be first in line for a claim.
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    Visser Limited User

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    Is there a certificate of insurance that can be provided to members?
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    For?

    OFTR clubs occasionally provide them to landowners when using land for events, or for land use agreements. We also provide them to municipalities when needed....
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    Visser Limited User

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    Just to get a clearer idea of what exactly is covered and what is not, and which insurance goes first. Or am I just supposed to take OFTR's word on it that I have said coverage with no proof -- And then if/when something catastrophic happens then try to figure it all out from the hospital bed (or even worse, my heirs trying to figure it out)?

    I am a member of the OFAH and CSSA and both of them include certificates of insurance along with their membership package.

    With both of these organizations, it is very clear what I get as a benefit:
    https://www.ofah.org/membership/highlights/ $3 million coverage for all hunting activities with a certificate of insurance.
    http://cssa-cila.org/membership/ $5 million coverage for shooting activities with a certificate of insurance.
  12. michel mondou

    michel mondou ODSC President

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    I too am a member of OFAH. I like how I get a certificate in the mail every year...I'll enquire about getting insurance certificates for all our members.

    Michel
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    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    Cool. perhaps we need to do this as well.
    Basically, as I understand it - on your bike and what you do with it, your own insurance is paramount. For club organized activities, the club insurance protects landowners, volunteers, etc. If the liability incident involves a running bike- I expect it will usually be the bike insurance that is drawn from first.
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    SteveP Ride Organizer

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    I would suspect that the only viable way would be to offer the certificate via download and they the club member can retain it in his/her personal files. A certificate is most certainly provided to the club each and every year.