1. ODSC rides are planned with specific Covid-19 restrictions
  1. brucedwilson

    brucedwilson ODSC Executive

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    suprf1y Limited User

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    Linky no worky for me
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    Ditto
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    still not working for me
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    Works for me. Signed.
  8. Husky Man

    Husky Man Ride Organizer

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    This administrative change, regarding provincial offences and municipal by-laws, appears to be moving forward in Western Canada. A pilot project is underway in Red Deer Ontario.
    The City of Toronto spent over $50,000,000 in their administration of traffic courts in 2014. What percentage of Torontonians don't even own a motor vehicle; yet they pay for this current justice system??
    The Ontario Ministry of Transportation has no faith in the current provincial offences court system and that is why they created administrative driver licence suspensions and vehicle impoundments for excessive speeds, among other things.
    I work in a courthouse north of the GTA where more than 95% of traffic violations that are set for trials never reach a trial. They are almost entirely resolved by reducing the original charge to something less in exchange for a guilty plea. Civilian victim/witnesses who were crashed into by motorists following too closely, failing to yield, driving too fast for conditions, or distracted, are currently required to attend court for these trails which almost never take place. Police officers sit endlessly in court room foyers, almost never to be called to give evidence, all the while victims of crime patiently wait for police to attend to their call for help. Toronto spent $5,500,000 in 2014 for their police officers to attend traffic court.
    Paralegals further choke the public purse by requesting full disclosure for ever single radar speeding charge they defend including copies of the manufacture's manual of operation and testing procedures. Paralegals don't even read these aspects of their disclosure requests because they already have 10's of thousands of copies of same already. The paralegals simply ask for every aspect of disclosure possible because if they don't receive it all it could be considered a violation of their client's rights. These costs are hidden because police officers, police administration staff, and court staff tend to these disclosure tasks during regular working hours.
    If you want to blame anyone for the forthcoming changings to the administration of Ontario traffic courts blame the paralegals. Just like Blockbuster and One-Stop Video DVD rental businesses have come and gone, so to will the traffic paralegal business. They have done well but the smart ones are planning other opportunities for the future.
    And don't forget to blame ourselves. Why on earth would I take responsibility and pay a traffic ticket when I was caught red-handed doing 140 km/hr on the 401 heading home from the Ganni late for dinner again? If I plead not guilty maybe the officer won't show up. And if the officer does show up, they will just reduce it for me anyways.
    This "justice" system has been abused by society for decades and it will change.

    https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/POA ConsultationPaper Final_ENG.pdf

    The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms will remain as provincial bureaucrats will successfully argue that the spirit of the preceding was intended only for federal criminal offences and it does not entirely apply with respect to municipal or provincial legislation where monetary or licencing sanctions are the primary deterrents.

    DISCLAIMER: I neither agree or disagree with the movement of change so I won't vote on the provided link. I am just ranting on a rainy Sunday afternoon, LOL.

    Hope to see many of you on the Orangeville ride next month.
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    Once again our government is failing to address the real problem.

    Just make it clear what evidence is needed for a conviction, then convict when the proof is there. Take away the reward for tying up the courts and it won't happen any more.
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    I don't think you and the government agree on what the real problem is.
  11. Husky Man

    Husky Man Ride Organizer

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    The flow chart model on page #13

    https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/POA ConsultationPaper Final_ENG.pdf

    is actually exactly the same process as present except for one huge aspect. If the defendant disputes a Part 1 charge (a speeding ticket) they MUST have a resolution meeting with a prosecutor prior to setting a trial. If the matter cannot be resolved with the prosecutor it proceeds to trial the same as today. The benefit is the prosecutor will have the authority to amend or withdraw the charge at the resolution meeting WITHOUT the need for witnesses, court staff, a justice of the peace, or a formal court room.

    If you get a ticket that is BS you can still have a trial. Today almost everyone sets trial dates but nearly no one actually has a trial as matters are resolved in live court buring up huge amounts of tax payers' resources.

    Some sort of change it coming.
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    Demon ODSC-OFTR Member

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    The only reason for a push for changes is not in the name of "justice" but in order to reduce expenses and increase the ease with which fines are collected, making the money flow in.

    It's not wrong to reduce expenses of tax payers money, however it's a slippery slope when/if the rights of the citizens are deminished in the process. In addition, there is a lot more wasteful practices with tax money out there and core issues that should be addressed and perhaps at the same time, so not just one area is given the attention (the one that will generate more cash flow for the municipalities/province only seems to be the focus)