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  1. OPIPE

    OPIPE Limited User

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    Good Morning All.
    I am having a real struggle trying to figure out what bike to look at for my son.
    He is 16, weighs 185 and is 6 feet tall...so not a small fella.

    He has been riding since he was 4, so he is quite experience...

    He is currently riding...or should I say outriding his 2016 Honda CRF230....so we are looking to upgrade.

    I would like to say money is no object....but that's not the case.
    I am trying to upgrade as cheaply as possibly (stupid covid pricing ) but I know I will have to spend some.

    Bike Currently on the table.
    Yz 125
    KTM 150SX
    KTM 200 - xc
    Possibly a WR 250?

    What other bikes would all you pros suggest?
    I don't want to go with a full 250 MX bike..just for the record of rebuild...

    Any comment, suggestion on bike or advise would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    Opipe
  2. cambam

    cambam ODSC Executive

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    Reality is you'll have trouble insuring anything 150cc or less. This should be a key consideration while making this decision.

    There is a huge difference between 4 strokes and 2 strokes.

    Wr250f are great bikes as are ktm 200xcw. Unfortunately I dont think they sell 200's now. Went to electric start 150.

    Just my opinions.

    Good luck
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    fedge Limited User

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    KTM offers a 125 cc i think. i had a 200 exc great bike light nimble, fun to ride and race, find a used 200 if you can.
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    ecarnell ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Ktm 250 exc?
    Still cheap to insure and street legal.
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    dunc Limited User

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    With that much time riding and his weight and height put him on a YZ250 (2 stroke).
    He will not outgrow it.
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  6. OrangeKoolaid

    OrangeKoolaid Ride Organizer

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    I will chime in here.

    My son is now 16 years old and we have gone through the bike stages, CRF100, KX100 and then a YZ125 which we tried to make as close to a YZ125X as we could. My son rode the YZ125 well off road rather well in my opinion then one night I spotted a 2016 KTM 200XCW on kijji and jumped on it in less than 12 hours.

    The right bike for the job is all I can say! Together we ride as much single tract as we can find and the 200 XCW is making his riding better by leaps and bounds. The bike has the right gearing, right suspension and the later models have electric start too!

    The KTM 150SX is a MX bike and will have an MX hard suspension and will have a hard hit in the single tract (A full on racer may enjoy that).

    The YZ125X looks like a great bike too bad its not a 175 or 200X, that would certainly be a contender!

    The bike is so good that this year I might have to sabotage it so that I can keep ahead of him.

    If you can find a good used one I would suggest looking that way, I for one can not understand why KTM dropped the 200 as it has quite the following!

    Beta makes a nice 200 two stroke as well, I was able to ride it at a test ride day and found it similar to my sons 200 XCW.

    Best of luck with your purchase.

    Don
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    suprf1y Limited User

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    You don't say what kind of riding it's for, but the 200 XC-W is hard to beat as an all purpose bike
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    tricky55+ ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Covid pricing sucks for sure. A $5000 used bike pre- Covid is now at least $6000 if it is a desirable bike. You have to know what kind of riding your son will be doing, to choose the correct bike. You also should decide whether or not to consider 4 strokes. Buying the wrong 4 stroke can be very costly, if you have to rebuild the motor. If you would consider a WR250F, you should also add a KTM 250 XCF or XCF-W. The smaller the engine, the more likely it has been aggressively used, so a used 125 MX bike wouldn't be on my list, and it is arguably too small for your son. My big 14 year old grandson can ride either his dad's 250 XC-W or my 200 XC-W equally well and he hasn't ridden much since racing a PW80 when he was 9(too much time at team sports). I agree with the 3 or 4 others who suggested that a 200 XC-W is perfect, but they are really scarce, so I would consider 250 2 strokes as well. A used Yamaha 250X is a great bike, if you can accept the lack of electric start. KTM 250 XC-W has been a great bike for over 10 years. 250 XC has a little more poke from the higher compression head, but it can be set to the slower ignition setting until you are ready for full power. There are also KTM 150XCs to consider, if a lighter bike is a priority.
    Good luck on a tough mission - low supply and high demand!
  9. Woodzi

    Woodzi Limited User

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    The Yamaha 2-strokes are probably the best deals going right now. Brand new price is comparable to a 4 year old orange bike. If you can live without electric start and know how to mix gas, they are great bikes. I had a 250 for a while. Zero problems, suspension is awesome and parts are readily available - even lots of used parts available on Kijiji - I found a nice expansion chamber for $50, a skid plate for a fraction of new, etc. etc.
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    Woodzi Limited User

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    PS. I sold the Yamaha - 5 years old for less than you will probably get for your 230. (Although I paid in pre-covid dollars as well.)
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    250 4T off-road bikes are the best kept secret. Would be ideal fir a big 16-yr old. WR250F, CRF250X, 250 XCF etc...
  12. OPIPE

    OPIPE Limited User

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    Thanks for the replies everyone.
    I really appreciate all of you opinions.
    Sorry, I should have mentioned in my first post, we are trail rider, and we spend most of our time in the Ganaraska, and Nothumberland forests.


    Regardless, I was about to find a very reasonable priced 2010 KTM 150SX ( considering these Covid times).
    Yes, I realize it's a MX Bike, however, for what we are going to use it for (90% trail riding), I think it will work just fine.

    I did test ride it, and wow, it looks like it's going to fun...Maybe Dad will need a 2T as well..lol

    Now, we have already starting ripping into it, as I am going to try and make this a reliable as possible for the woods

    Again, thanks for all the comments :)
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  13. y2ktm

    y2ktm ODSC Executive

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    Hey Owen. Look me up when your ready ride with your kids. Ethan's on his new 125 this year so we might be a little more compatible with you outings.

    I had to buy a beat up old TTR and rebuild it to make it affordable. Prices are nuts!

    Did you sell the 150?

    If you need any help with thw 150 just ring me up!

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    @y2ktm that TTR hardly looks old or beat up, great work! Your shop looks quite well equipped for the task at hand.
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    y2ktm ODSC Executive

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    It was pretty bad. Had to buy all new plastics. Front brake caliber and line were missing completely. Exhaust was bent and missing the insert. Front forks were bent. Spokes were broken and front wheel bent. Motor is good and has very few hours on it but it was ridden hard by a big kid I think.

    We installed a complete yz 85 front end on this bike along with making some upgrades to the rear. Also swapped on some smaller wheels as this was a big wheel version with a 19” front wheel and was too big for my son with them installed
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