Discussion in 'Land Use Issues, Where To Ride' started by 3BeeJay3, Oct 16, 2009.
Well said, Ron
I was thinking about this the other night but didn't know how to articulate it.
Ken and I will make sure that theme is presented when we make our presentation. We want to partner with them in order to save the forest from further destruction. Really and truly, I don't think there is anyone that wouldn't like to ensure that is the case. Steve
Any fresh news on this? Just looking for an update if there is any new info..... I've been on a few hikes through some of the trails, have not seen any signs up yet....
we are still communicating at this point. Things have been quiet from November till now. They will be quiet another month or so, and should pick up from there. We have two way discourse, which is a good start. Ken and I are also collaborating. When we can give a proper update, we certainly will. Steve
Here is an update, put out on the OFTR email newsletter. This is follow up to our meeting last week with all stakeholders. things went well.
Norfolk County Update
On Thursday May 13, 2010, the OFTR presented to the Norfolk Landscape Committee (NLC) regarding ORM access in Norfolk County. While NLC is not an official committee of county council, the members are comprised of everyone that controls land that we may be able to use for ORM trails.
Norfolk trail riding involves crown land and municipal road allowances (public), woodlots and farmlands (private) and roads (linkage). The only real looped trail experience was in St. Williams forest which has been overused and abused so much that it is no longer an enjoyable trail experience. A new operational plan has been approved by the MNR and it involves closing most of the trails.
Lynn Valley Dirt Riders (LVDR) has worked with local landowners and officials for more than 20 years and Norfolk is the home of the highly regarded Beagle Bash Enduro and Trail Ride. A street plated motorcycle is a ‘must have’ as a day of riding here involves about 50% road access. The high quality trails are worth the pavement which makes this a prime dual sport area, especially for those in southwestern Ontario so the Ontario Dual Sport Club (ODSC) attended the NLC meeting last week.
About a year ago, the Norfolk ATV club of the OFATV presented a proposal to Norfolk County Council to develop a trail system and made an application under HTA 316 for access to roads for ATVs. They have several landowners agreeable to the concept and have some use agreements in place already.
The NLC is aware that ORMs and ATVs share many trails and have asked us to partner with the NATV and come up with a plan for the future of organized trails in Norfolk.
The NLC has asked the OFTR to work with the ODSC and LVDR to develop a stewardship proposal in partnership with NATV. This is great news.
Partnerships are identified as a key goal in our strategic plan and the new ones formed last year using National Trails Coalition (NTC) funding have been very successful.
We have contacted the NATV and will be working with them over the next few weeks to come up with a joint stewardship proposal for Norfolk County.
Good news, thanks for being "hands on" with this situation Steve.
"The only real looped trail experience was in St. Williams forest which has been overused and abused so much that it is no longer an enjoyable trail experience. A new operational plan has been approved by the MNR and it involves closing most of the trails."
I received this email the other day as well. What the heck it is like they are trying to put a positive spin on closing St. Willies.
I think the single track in there is some of the best, second only to Northumberland and then the Ganny. It is totally an enjoyable trail experience with some of the best whops and best workout in trail riding in Ontario.
I was there last weekend and saw no signs that the single track was closed.
When are they planning on closing it?
Is Turkey Point next?
Wow depressing....First Northumberland and now this.
Are there any clubs that have a decent track of single track trails close to Hamilton that can be joined to ride the trails?
The goal here, is that instead of just doing a loop or two at St. Willies, we'll have access to multiple other parcels of land in the area - similar to how it works in Simcoe cty. You will require OFTR membership, insurance, Plate etc.
I also like doing the trails at St. Willies just for a good workout. But the fact is that something has to be done there, as there are too many folks with no plate, no insurance & little common sense & no respect on 2,3,4 & 6 wheels(Including locals dumping their garbage etc.), ruining it for everyone else. The only other way is to have 24/7 police presence.
There was almost 20k of real single track there in 06, now it's down to about 12 k or so, thanks to people bulldozing thru with vehicles with more than 2 wheels. The way it's going, in another couple years there will be none left. Either way, we lose without having access to other areas.
It's the best effort that can be done, and there is no guaranteed outcome in our benefit.
very well said Brian...and a very good reason why membership with the OFTR is important. The OFTR is fighting for us. Many of us have witnessed it first hand. OFTR doesn't always win, but I guarantee you they will at least be in the ring and I give them a fighting chance. Steve
That is a good goal.
I am all for the model you propose. I am strictly off road plated and insured though with not a lot of Gas capacity in my trail converted Yz250 so hopefully there is some smaller loops in this plan :]
Hopefully you will keep us updated as to the progress on this thread.
I guess I will continue to ride St. Williams single track until they post signs saying I can't.
Sounds alot like something I suggested a while ago. Good thing is that there is alot of singletrack out and about in Norfolk, stuff that I've ridden since I was a kid, stuff that my dad helped cut back in the '70s. I guess I should get involved and divulge the location of all the best stuff
Another thing the OFTR is working on..."Trail Linkage" for bikes like yours.
Let's keep working towards insuring decent single track does not go the way of Single Track's Avatar!
Protecting our forest ; CONSERVATION: Norfolk Carolinian Legacy
Fri May 28 2010
Byline: BARBARA SIMPSON, SIMCOE REFORMER
Illustrations: contributed photo
John Lounds, president and CEO of the Nature Conservancy of Canada, and Geordie Dalglish, chair of theW. GarfieldWeston Foundation, walked through the woods
of the Norfolk Carolinian Legacy Project yesterday. The pair announced 3,400 acres of Carolinian forests would be restored and protected thanks to a donation from
the Weston Foundation.
Thousands of acres of Norfolk Carolinian forest have
been purchased by the Nature Conservancy of
Canada in an effort to preserve and restore the
biologically diverse region.
The Norfolk Carolinian Legacy project was unveiled
at a local farm yesterday by both the W. Garfield
Weston Foundation and the Natural Conservancy of
Canada. A donation from the Weston foundation has
allowed the conservancy to purchase 46 properties
between Backus Woods and South Walsingham. The
project aims to improve corridors and linkages
among existing protected areas, including Long Point
and the St. Williams Conservation Reserve.
While half of these lands are already forested, there
will be some subtle work happening on these
properties, including planting a variety of grasses and
trees. The conservancy organization has been
working within Norfolk County for 40 years,
witnessing first-hand the benefits of restoration
"The reason why many of these places exist is
because people care about forests," said John Lounds,
president and CEO of the Nature Conservancy of
He calls the purchase of these 46 properties a
"win-win situation" for both the organization and
local property owners.
"A lot of the land in the Sand Plains were tobacco
farms and many of these folks are looking to retire,"
The 3,400 acres selected for the project showcase
Norfolk's diverse mixture of forests, savannahs and
wetlands. The Southern Norfolk Sand Plain, part of
the Carolinian Life Zone, is also home to 25% of all
at-risk species, including the Acadian Flycatcher, the
Eastern Foxsnake and the Eastern Flowering
"We're particularly pleased that this project will
contribute to the significant progress already made by
the Norfolk community to have conservation coexist
productively with agriculture and other land uses,"
said Geordie Dalglish, chair of the W. Garfield
Weston Foundation, in a statement. "Walking trails
will be established for local community access and
also to support local tourism."
The Norfolk Carolinian Legacy project is just the
latest conservation project supported by the W.
Garfield Weston Foundation. Since the early 1980s,
the family philanthropic organization has donated
$100 million to protect more than 100,000 acres of
natural habitats in Canada. In the past, it has worked
with the Nature Conservancy of Canada to conserve
Waterton Park Front in Alberta, Old Man on His
Back in Saskatchewan and the Musquash Estuary in
Barbara Simpson 519-426-3528, ext. 112
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What they don't realize is that they can issue all the laws they want for St Williams, it will have little effect. I too am local to the area. Unless they fence off the areas (like they did in Turkey Point), those same yahoos that have ruined it for us, will continue to ride there.
It's odd, the NCC seems to think that if THEY own land, then riders will not dare trespass on their land. They also think that the police will regulate(and that enforcement has nothing better to do). We argue that by expanding riding areas in designated areas, in a manageble fashion, that is what will help reduce unauthorized riding in sensitive areas. Give ORV's a legal place to ride, and that's where the bulk of them will go.
Re: St. Williams trail blockage
Sunday,we headed to St. Willies to worship in the great hall of the tall pines.Nothing new as far as signage was seen ,however some busy beaver,s have taken the time to chainsaw downed logs and live brush to block entrance to single track . This effort was seen at least six times at fire cut roads. Has anything new been posted or is this the work of some FASCIST group. KTMRIDR
this is the first we have heard of an attempt to make single track off limits. Sounds like it will sure keep the ATVs out for a while. Not sure what a few downed trees will do to bikes!
I went out to St. Willies for a before work ride this morning. There are now debris piled in all the singletrack entrances, lots of "trail closed" signs, lots of yellow tape marking off trails. Looks like the party is over. At least I can still sneak into the singletrack on my mountain bike. The forest was busy with hired hands blocking and signing trail. Looks like the work is being done by Alternative Land Use Services. Funny thing was I spotted a few young people working for them that were blowing donuts and riding with no helmets. Isn't this what they were trying to stop? #-o
I took a few pictures that I'll post up later.
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I really still believe we need to
1) Do group land ownership. ODSC and OFTR (and other groups SCORRA etc) should purchase, maintain, insure, etc .
2) We need to protest (peacefully) to Queens Park about our issues.
3) We need to sue governments (all levels) for singling out our group and discriminating against us. My understanding is that in many cases we are the first users of these trails (we built many of them).
The other day I went to a place I have been riding for more than 30 years. Gate put up by the ministry, but no signage stating No Motorized vehicles (because we are allowed to ride there!!). But the sign is coming soon as municipality aoks the bylaw.
Ganni, Simcoe County, Haliburton and beyond is next. We can fight all we want, but I believe we need to change gears in the fight.
I agree 100% on point 3. As an example, we can still ride in StWillies, except it is on double track only, with ATV's all over the place. By closing the single track, where we had been separated from atv contact, they just amplified the likelihood of serious injury to dirtbikers. Whereas prior to this closure, the different riders were separated to a large degree. This is very concerning.
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