Discussion in 'Land Use Issues, Where To Ride' started by 3BeeJay3, Oct 16, 2009.
this is retarded
So i guess nothing is being done to help us now ? I thought we had some kind of game plan for this area. I am beginning to think the best thing is to ride a unplated bike anywhere you feel like :finga: . Doing things the right way seems to get us nowhere.
Looks like if they want my tourist dollers they will have to go to the USA. Anyone want to go to Hatfield or MI in a few weeks , its a place that they want us and our $$
Not much a bunch of logs are going to do if someone was determined to ride the singletrack. The unplated and uninsured riders will still be out there doing their thing that they've done for years. There isn't enough enforcement to keep them out, even if there was there are a number of escape routes off the property. Its just going to keep us law abiding citizens out and the yahoos will still ride it.
I live in Norfolk and now have to drive 3 hours to ride 100% legal singletrack (SCF or the Ganny). F*ck Ontario! I'm out.....
+1. I live in Toronto. I only have to drive 1 hour before I get to Simcoe County or Ganni, (and once upon a time Northumberland). Soon we will all be driving well north of Haliburton Rail Trail before we can ride at all. Time for our organizations to hire a lawyer! And go after the municipalities, Provincial Governments, and even the Federal Governments on the basis of discrimination (other users don't like us so they get our small group out).
Just for the record, and to make sure all are informed of what is happening in Norfolk county. The single track in St Williams forest has been deemed off limits/closed since the beginning of this season. They have only now organized some efforts to actually sign it closed and block it off(we all know how long that will hold up). The other issue going on in the county is the proposal for a multi use trail system more than 100kms long. That proposal is still in the works and would not include any portion of the St Williams forest.
I know what a "multi-use trail system" means in Southern Ontario; hikers, horseback, bicycles, etc, maybe even ATV's, but NO dirt bikes!
Time to move north where we have SOME sense of freedom.
Perhaps I am naive, but what would lawyers do for any good by going after the governmental hierarchy on the basis of discrimination? We may as well blow bubbles in their faces and we all know how that already turned out. I've seen relationships like that in work and they don't usually work out to the benefit of the smaller party. In fact if the relationship between the OFTR and any government could be characterized as anything but diplomatic I can't imagine it would be very successful at maintaining areas for ORM use.
Usually when you sue someone for $ they start to listen. And when you win court cases then you are allowed to ride in areas that we have been kicked out of. Also, in Canada I think we have a "thing" for not being discriminatory. There are laws (I don't know them some lawyers do) that protect minority groups against discrimination. There are also rights that people have and when these rights are stepped on then there are consequences for those who are stepping on those rights.
I can understand that riding a off road motorcycle is not a "right" but a privilege. But if you ride on every sunday, or say on major events similar to a religious group, then this activity called trail riding can even be viewed as being a religion. There are many laws that protect religions.
I keep seeing the writing on the wall. My kids are not going to be able to ride anywhere closer than a 4 or 6 hour drive soon. Actually, this is the reason I have not started my kid riding yet, I don't see a future for this sport. It really is sad.
The other option is Group Land Ownership. But that was never started and ended.
This is getting kinda crazy.
I was in Northumberland last weekend and some of my favorite single track that is now supposedly closed (there are no signs or blocks yet) is getting over grown like crazy.
It is ridiculous that these people that took over these trails are not even using them. Like a hiker would even want to hike a single track trail that meanders back and forth through a small area anyways.
With regards to St. Willies isn't it kinda weird that the Weston Group that owns grocery stores if I am not mistaken is turning farm land into parks.
Is there still riding in Turkey point or is that closed down as well now?
What is the fine for getting caught riding closed off single track anyways?
who's gonna be the guinea pig? can't be that much can it?? :twisted:
I think the only thing you can be charged with is "Trespassing" As long as you got your insurance , ownership and a helmet i think the fine would be rather small. Given you may ride the single track all summer and possibly get a tiny fine after several warnings it might be worth it for some.
Rumor is that Northumberland has a lot of bikes running single track and no one there knows what to do about it , now that there is no club to address the problem.
I think the problems at St Williams are just about to start.
You'd never know what happened recently by reading Northumberland's website - check this:
Here's an excerpt:
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For those that were wondering.
Provincial Parks and Conservation Reserves Act, 2006
Section 33(2) Unlawfully travel on closed road, trail or portage Total fine $155.00
I Was going to Simcoe county a little while back and stopped at the 400 and 9 Petro Canada for fuel.
There were two OPP or Peal Police officers riding quad bikes. One had a flat. I went to talk to them and offered to fix their problem (they refused help). They told me and my buddy, that the fine was $60 (or maybe I misunderstood and he said $160 if you get caught) for trespassing with a dirt bike or Dual Sport or ATV.
The officer was beside himself a bit because he said that people who had been riding all there life up there in King township are not getting caught for something that everyone use to enjoy. New subdivisions sprung up and people in those new divisions don't like bikes or ATV.
My take is that if you get caught once a year that would not be too bad of a price to pay for enjoying the outdoors. I am thinking that the price is going to soon increase.
Any ideas for mounting a hatchet to the handlebars? Need to do some trail clean up, lots of silly signs posted everywhere out in the woods
I met up some friends on Sunday for a ride and found out half the area is shut down. Steel stakes pounded down in the ground, yellow tape everywhere and garbage cans bolted to the trees. Who's littering the area now?
Do they really have the right to close this off? I thought this was crown land. I am with 450 Pilot, I think next year I'll be spending my money in the US $16.25 for an ORV permit and I can ride any ORV trail in Michigan.
I am proud to remain a volunteer moderator with the ODSC, and continue to find at least once or twice per year to ride with my buds back in Ontario. However, I must admit how thoroughly disappointed I am with what has happened to our "right to ride" in southern and central Ontario.
Off the top of my head...since I moved to "the promised land" (LOL!!!) in 2007, we've lost the following in Ontario:
Part of the Limerick Forest
The haliburton rail trail (that just happens to connect all my favourite riding spots in easten North America)
and, oh yeah.... and the right to certify to Ontario road standards and plate enduro bikes!
So what's next???
I am so very thankful and appreciative that the Cycle Conservation Club of Michigan has an extremely effective and long standing relationship with the legislators in the state capitol of Lansing. Our right to ride has never looked better than it does today. It's the close knit group of dedicated volunteers that have spanned almost half a century that makes the difference. BTW - every one of my riding buddies here is a dues paying club member and most importantly..."a volunteer" Club membership doesn't just mean dues and racing. It means so much more. Getting out there on a mint spring riding day to clear deadfall, build a bridge, bring the trail back to life, and network with other user groups is part of the riding culture in Michigan. There are no armchair QB's in this riding fraternity.
My plea to all my Ontario friends is to support the OFTR (and your local club) and volunteer ...be part of the solution. The Ken Hooverman's and Warren Thaxter's of the world are doing an awesome job for you but as a small team, can only do so much. They need your help and they need it now. I'll openly admit...I was one of those guys who faithfully paid my dues and joined the clubs but always seemed to have something else going on when a trail maintenance day came around. Wow how my thinking has changed as I've "matured". Don't sit on the sidelines and let all your riding slip away. Get seriously involved now...before its too late!!!!
As an aside, to all my ODSC mates, please feel free to drop me a line if you want to ride/explore the trails here in Michigan.
"I am so very thankful and appreciative that the Cycle Conservation Club of Michigan has an extremely effective and long standing relationship with the legislators in the state capitol of Lansing."
This is what we don't have.
I ride in Michigan every year, pay my whopping $16.25 for my right to ride. :shock:
I hear ya....but you do have a great start with Ken and the OFTR. Lesson learned here is success comes with critical mass and a lot of elbow grease applied by all involved!
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