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  1. Ty 650

    Ty 650 Limited User

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    I've been searching the internet regarding licensed dual sport motorcycles being able to use the old rail trail from Lindsay to Kinmount. (specifically I would be getting on the trail at Blackwater @hwy12)
    I can't find anything except that motorycles are not very popular :cry: , meeting discussions, and legal jargons :x .

    Does anyone know if licensed motorcyles are permitted on this trail?

    HELP!!!
  2. amuzme

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    They are curently not allowed on the rail trail at all.

    The OFTR has been working on this one since February and they are not very receptive. We are still trying though.

    We may have acces to the RT from Kinmount to Haliburton for 2007.

    Ken
    OFTR
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    As far as I am concern, a Dual Purpuse Motorcycle is more legal and safe and also very quiet compared to other types of vehicle allowed on the said trails.

    Southern Ontario need to grow up or smart'n up. :D

    Lets hope that there is a better near future ahead in our time.
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    Digby wrote:The Ontario Dual Sport Club promotes safe multi-use access for all users and all club members are asked to follow the clubs code of conduct as described below.

    1-Do Not Trespass on private property.
    2-Ride on existing trails only. (Conrad Wrote>> Does this meen any trail or some?)
    3-Tread Lightly.
    4-STOP and KILL your engine IMMEDIATELY when you see a horse.
    5-Ride prepared for any kind of emergency maneuver or situation - a trail ride is not a race.
    6-Respect and be courteous to others who have the right to be on the trails - ATVs, Hikers, Mountain Bikers.
    7-Remember that few other vehicles are as maneuverable as bikes, so give others lots of room.
    8-Hunt camp owners do a lot of trail grooming - respect their efforts.
    9-Do not ride in area's when they are being used for hunting.
    10-Comply with all legislation, bylaws and insurance requirements.
    11-Always wear a helmet and other safety gear and remove your helmet when talking to someone.
    12-Do not litter, leave the place better than you found it.
    13Keep your bike QUIET. More sound = Less ground!

    See article (2) >> Is there a trail map availlable showing existing trail that we are permited to acces?

    Thank you in advanced.
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    I was looking around the internet last year and I was surprised that these old rail lines are being treated like gold. They are full of carcinogens!
    In the old days, a couple of times a year, the railroad men would go out and pour creosote all over the railway ties in order to "preserve" them. Well, creosote is full of polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PNA's). It ain't good stuff.
    The rail owners later graduated to copper and arsenic mixtures. :shock:
    We should probably just let all the tree huggers have the old rail lines. Poor buggers.
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    An unfortunate truth, but not a good idea to present to those who have the power to spend everyones tax money. It could be the reason the beach in Fenelon Falls was closed all this year after they discovered a black goo under the sand, which the old rail line (now the trail) runs right by....
    Theres lots of environmental stupidity around. Just look at where the live rail lines that run up the east side of Lake Simcoe. Trains with 200+ cars carrying every toxic substance known go by every 15mins or less and run right by or over some very rickety bridges right beside the lake.
  7. shawn DRZ400s

    shawn DRZ400s ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Ty,

    Good question! I would like to ride to Kinmount with you via your route. Everytime I'm up past Lindsay area the trail turns into a walking trail and I have to turn around...actually I think that one goes towards Peterborough..maybe I miss where I should, all the more reason I should to for a ride with you. :)
    I have a question about the rail trails too..in this day and age of liability and constant fear of being sued just how in the world is the county/snowmobile club(I could be wrong) allowed to put those huge cement blocks at every road crossing??? Scary scary though of anyone hitting one of those at any speed!! Bikes can easily fit through or around after slowing down but ATV's must go around and doing so cause damage off the trail....really makes no sense to me at all? :evil:
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    I have ride ride the rail with my son from Fenelon Falls to Kinmount last summer, and from what I see, I blame some of the members of this club and others. Some or most of your so called enduro riders think that by plating a motor cross dirt bike that it is now an Enduro Bike. These bike have a big power band and are also found noisy. therefore we are hated due to the fact of noise polution and leaving long strips of of turned dirt trail at eccessive speeds.

    I ride a KLR 650 and it is 100% enduro and was built for that intention, I also owned in the past CR250 and KDX and they were not enduro, I use them for what they were built for.

    And now I am much older and would like to continue to ride, I purchased a KLR and find that I have no were to ride other than the road.

    Thank you very muck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Long time rider and will continue.
  9. Randy_K

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    Join the ODSC , show some respect & your will have tons of riding Buddy's and find the best places to ride.
  10. Husky Man

    Husky Man Ride Organizer

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    Member's of the Ontario Dual Sport Club are also members of the Ontario Federation of Trail Riders. Our members care very deeply about maintaining and enhancing legal areas to ride.

    The VRT is currently off limits to all motorcycles. The OFTR is and will continue to work on this and similair issues for the benefit of all off road motorcyclists in the province.

    I do not recall seeing any modified motocross bikes at any ODSC events in the recent past. Given the quality and value of current enduro specific models available, motocross conversion is pretty much a thing of the past in a trail ride or enduro competition setting. You may see the odd converted bike on a closed Hare Scramble race circuit but not on a public rail trail.

    Our members are educated with regards to the negative public perception of loud mufflers and excessive speed in open trail settings.

    Regards,
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    Pretty quick to be pointing fingers, even though you are fairly close to the reason why mc's are currently not allowed there (noise). Remember, you are not supposed to be there either right now.
    If you ever stopped to talk to the old unmuffled, unlicensed, uninsured mx/mini bike types you will find that 99.9% of them have no idea there are organizations like the ODSC or OFTR that are fighting for others rights to ride. Nor do they have any concept about where they should or cannot ride, or the legal stuff required to ride wherever they go. I'm sure we've all just ridden for the sake of riding, or done other things, not thinking of the concequences of our actions.
    There are just as many licensed, bikes out there with after market exhausts that are just as much, if not more to blame for the current noise pollution problem.
    Educate them when you meet other riders. Be part of the solution and contribute to it. Lack of representation of the motorcycle community in the past has got us where we are now. (left out of the big picture)
    This is changing if you do some more reading in this Land Use section. There are people here who have donated their own time and effort to help. You should too. With Ken H (amuzme) at the forefront of this effort now, we've come a long way in the one year he has been on board. In 2005, only Connie, Richard and myself where the only motorcycle reps at any of the town meetings on the subject, and that is just for this one particular area. It was rare to have any more than one person being able to attend at a time, and without any official representation, you can see how loud of a voice we had on any decisions. The same things are happening in every section of the province. GET INVOLVED.
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    Re: Rail Trail Access for DualSport Bikes

    Perhaps someone from the OFTR could give us an update on the progress they are making on the Victoria Rail Trail.

    I'm more interested in the EOTA Rail Trail access as I obtained permission from EOTA in 2006 to hold an ODSC Ride on their Rail Trail (which allows ATVs but not motorcycles). I was under the impression that OFTR was also working with EOTA but an e-mail I just received from OFTR seems to indicate I have to seek permission myself for this year's ride. EOTA should have been a straightforward case to get blanket approval for all ODSC (i.e. OFTR) members as EOTA's only concern was Liability Insurance. Once they knew ODSC had Insurance, they had no hesitation giving me written permission to use their trails (after purchasing an ATV daily permit).

    Bob
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    Re: Rail Trail Access for DualSport Bikes

    Seeing as no one from OFTR replied to this post, I emailed them and gave them the link to the post.

    I received this reply today:

    I'd have to assume from this exchange that if you are a DualSport rider and would like access to abandoned rail trails that have recently banned motorcycles (but allowed ATVs) then you'd better pursue it yourself.

    Bob
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    Re: Rail Trail Access for DualSport Bikes

    Directing a question to OFTR via the ODSC board is certainly not the most efficient way to get an answer.
    While the OFTR is doing good work, I think we all need to be individually proactive to see our sport grow.
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    Re: Rail Trail Access for DualSport Bikes

    It always was. If you remember, OFTR had a Forum but it was grossly underutilized and Ken Hoeverman was using the ODSC Forum for all his announcements and discussions when he became an OFTR employee. I'd now agree - it's no longer a useful place to have a discussion on OFTR matters. Unfortunately, there is no other place.
    And that is exactly what I did when I approached EOTA in 2006 and got written permission to access the "ATV-only Rail Trails" for an ODSC Ride. It was a no-brainer for OFTR to follow up and get it extended to all OFTR/ODSC Members. However, I'm now back to approaching EOTA myself and asking for permission to ride the Rail Trail. Does this sound like progress?

    Bob
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    Bob-

    Try to keep in mind, the OFTR has only one full timer (Ken) and he has about 3 or 4 land initiatives on the go right now, plus projects with the MTO, MCC, etc. etc.

    The EOTA,VRT probably falls down on the priority list. It may be higher on yours and that's OK. Try to look at progress in terms of what has been done:

    Simcoe county
    Larose forest
    Northumberland(in progress)
    Dufferin County(in progress)..........
    Among other things......
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    Re:

    Yes, this is largely due to two things... one our organization, and two our government.
    The first part, our organization, is just now getting the steam and power to approach and deal with the second part.... our government. The second part likely enjoys to keep our sport very obscure, because they know that many more people don't like it and thus it is a huge liability for their political affiliation to it. It is better to not have official rules to govern something that they don't want to recognize.... By the way everything is going green, no CO2 emissions haven't you heard :cry: Soon we will even get all our 5% of electricity from the wind, it is like electricity should grows off trees now days, but don't burn the wood to crank the steam turbine.

    I have been to our rides and there is always someone with a questionably loud exhaust. I think it would be really good, if our club could purchase a noise meter, one that is used to test bike exhaust noise, and bring it to our official rides. We can have an information booth .... Test Your Bike db's. I am sure if we show people that their offending bike is like 120 db or what ever the number, and tell them that the bike has to be like 94 ish db... they might actually start to understand.

    Maybe even expand this idea to having a dyno, where members can chart their bikes HP and db output. Have a day event here and there throughout the year (Dyno and db your bike days). I know dyno's are expensive (like say $15,000 with trailer etc), but if we are not buying land what are we doing?

    Sorry for starting to tread into the sensor ship type wording.... I will stop here.

    But not before I say,,, I was riding in an area that is government land.. that has absolutely no signage. I stopped a rider approaching me, and asked him,,, are we allowed to be here? He said no, but who cares? First, I don't understand why I was not allowed to ride in that area (it just boggles my mind why we would not be able too).. and second, the guy doesn't care. The guy was 50 ish, just getting back into the sport after 20 years of having his xl 250 parked in the garage. I don't know who is more in the wrong... me for leaving, or him for staying and enjoying a nice ride. I informed him of our club, and told him about the Ganni (he did not have a clue about the Ganni). Anyway.

    We are a mess. We meaning society.
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    Re: Re:

    At the recent Northumberland ride, the OFTR did sound tests. If your bike failed, they not only educated, but they also supplied tools and materials to make their bikes quieter.
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    The OFTR did the same sound test and gave the help needed to quiet down the offending bikes.

    The OFTR is doing more for the sport then most realize. Good job guys.