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  1. Singletrack

    Singletrack ODSC-OFTR Member

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    "Recently a post was started in the Competitive Riding Events forum which was questioning why race turn out was so low. It generated lots of hits, lots of comments and the discussion led to bigger overall issues and questions like:

    1-why does there seem to be a lower number of racers in Ontario compared to other provinces and regions (like Quebec, BC and Albera)
    2-why don't we get more spectators out to events?
    3-where are the new riders going to come from considering the loss of areas to ride?
    4-how do we protect the areas we now have available to ride, try to reclaim some we've lost and develop new lands?
    5-is there a "big tent" type of arrangement we could strike, not just between different motorcycle race sanctioning groups and clubs, but one which goes outside our "normal" circle to include other trail users, land owners and environmental groups
    6-is this a worthy cause to pursue?...and if so...what would it look like and how would we get it moving?"

    My answers to the questions above:

    1. Probably because Ontario is more urban proportionally, and not as motorsports oriented like Quebec and Alberta. Or just less land. Just a guess though.
    2. Because amateur off-road racing is boring to watch. Pro races are OK, but the nature of the sport is not spectator friendly like MX. That’s why Endurocross is gaining popularity. Get over it. If the Blue Jays or Argos can only get 10,000 people, don’t hold your breath for our sport.
    3. New riders can only develop if there are places to ride. Grass roots play riding is the only way.
    4. Protect what we have now by being responsible. We’ll have to pay-to-play in the future.
    5. Yes.
    6. Absolutely. The OFTR has done a tremendous job of bringing a recognizable voice and face to off-road motorcyclists in Ontario. But our sport is still way too fractured. ALL motorcycle organizations need to be brought under one umbrella to be effective in the battle for hearts and minds (OFTR; OO; MCC; CMRC; PMP; FMSQ and many more I’m sure I missed). I imagine a day when all motorcyclists would be represented by one umbrella organization in Canada, to be an effective voice to governments – call it something like the Canadian Motorcycle Association or CMA! :wink:

    Maybe the future lies with the private parks coming online, such as Burnt River.

    The best comparison to off-road riding I can make is Alpine skiing. A recreation activity every family member can participate in, at the same place, on the same day, at their own pace. It costs a family of four at least $120-$280 per day to ski depending on age and resort. I bet my family spends at least $2000 /yr, not including food, gas, overnight accommodation and ski gear. Makes an annual Ganny membership seem pretty damn reasonable. And that’s in only 3 months of what we call winter in Ontario.

    If you went to an off-road park, you would want MX tracks and marked trails. Now what if there were a chalet that you could get food in, decent washrooms, medical facilities, a pro-shop for repairs etc.? A place that would run daily lessons and maybe even bike rentals for your non-riding friends…? I know dirt biking will never be as popular as Alpine skiing, but surely there’s enough demand for quality off-road parks around the province. I know MotoPark was/is sort of like that, but they’re few and far between.

    I have about $16,000 invested in four dirtbikes in my family. That’ll be amortized over a quite a few years (my bike is now 4 years old). So call it spending $4000 / yr in bikes alone, not including maintenance and riding gear. But what do I pay to ride? Not much in comparison to the bike value, or to the cost of skiing. Let’s assume 10 race entries for me per year, at $40 each. $400 – no big deal. The kids race club MX – 20 races x $30 = $600 until they move up to big bikes. So call it $1000 per season for now. The rest of the time is spent on public land.

    Let’s face it. We didn’t get into dirt biking because it’s cheap. We’re doing it because it’s the BEST sport in the world.
    If we’d pay the money, we’d have the right to demand service – from either private facilities or the Province.

    Just my 2 cents.
  2. Dizzy

    Dizzy Limited User

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    okay so stop saying you know nothing about it and do some homework - http://www.oftr.ca - if you ride, you owe it to yourself to become educated - and that goes for all riders, not just suprf1y :supz:
  3. BillO

    BillO Limited User

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    The URL did not come through Steve (seems to be something worng with the processing af ML tags today). Could you re-post it?
  4. SteveP

    SteveP Ride Organizer

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    edit. original post removed by me...just not worth it.

    I did not post the url. I wouldn't, I won't comment on it directly, and I won't revisit it either. Unbelievable.
  5. BillO

    BillO Limited User

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    How would one find this then?
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    BillO Limited User

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    We wonder why the off road community is fractured...doesn't exactly scream out riders unite, does it?
  9. 3BeeJay3

    3BeeJay3 ODSC Past President

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    Provincial federations in Canada should join NOHVCC somehow and call it iNOHVCC........
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  11. BillO

    BillO Limited User

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    Just totally outrageous. It's amazing how something like this can take good qualities and turn them into something negative. :!: :?:

    On a more positive note, I encourage every one to get motivated and organize yourselves for a trip to the MC show. It's an effective way to show your support for your sport. You can sign up with Kenny at the OFTR trailer too! 8)
  12. Brad

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    I have a cottage close to Magnetawan in the Almaguin Highlands. There is so much crown land up there I can't see why I would buy a OFTR pass as they don't have any riding areas up there. I also have an atv and the two major atv federations don't extend up there either. The roads are atv legal but for sure you need a blue plated bike which mine is, to get from trail to trail.

    There are miles and miles of all sorts of trails all along the Nipissing Road from Highway 518 up to Highway 522. Google earth and the Ontario Crown Land Atlas are all you need if you don't mind a bit of travelling.

    Each crown land tract has rules as to what sort of activities are allowed. All the ones in that area allow dirt bikes and atvs, however you are not allowed to cut any new trails.

    I'd be happy to buy a pass if required, but I just don't need one. No off road organization seems to have any interest in the area other than The OFSC.
  13. dano60

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    Yeah I'm with Superfly, I'm just not sure what the OFTR can really do for me where I am located...too far from Simcoe or the Ganny to be relevant. I am a dualsport rider who likes to get off the beaten path once in a while but I do not really think the benefits of OFTR membership would be a good value for me, I do like this website though and enjoy using it to network with other riders. Back in the day I did belong to the CMA when they were the big name in moto-x, and not too long ago was in the OFSC, but there is no comparison to the OFSC and the OFTR, you can't really sled in Southern Ontario without an OFSC membership. I do like the idea of a free trial membership though to get people interested.
    Something else that could get more riders interested is if the OFTR could get access to more of the county forests, that would probably be a win/win scenario as many of the counties and conservation associations could use the money from user fees.The atv community seems to be a little more organised in this regard which is no surprise cosidering the amount of atv's sold now is more than dirt bikes and snowmobiles combined. By it's nature motorcycling is a bit of a solitary activity so I think it will always be difficult to get bikers to organise unless there are real concrete benefits to doing so.
  14. madderthanmax

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    I know this is an old thread, but I can't help but comment on these new posts.

    The post above speaks volumes about where the Off-Road Motorcycle (ORM) community is in Ontario today. For some, the thinking seems to be that if the OFTR does not give them direct access to where they ride, right now, then $80 a year for membership is not worth it. The myopia of that is why we are so marginalized as a user group of public lands. The OFTR has done a great job to battle that in the past few years - all 1,800 members strong! That's the problem, some ORM riders won't sign on to the organization that best gives ORM use legitimacy in the province.

    If people think that, 'Hey where I ride is Crown land and the OFTR can't do anything for me' - Just wait. Wait til the local hiking/biking/birding/naturalist/insert politically correct single use group here - decides that you riding an ORM is environmetally devasting and absolutely incompatible with their notions of public land use. Wait til those trails and lands are closed to you and your ORM. Think that it won't happen farther north? Populations keep expanding, and 'city-idiots' keep pushing north.

    Getting access to public forests in the south (i.e. Dufferin, York, Durham, etc.), that's dreaming in technicolour! ORM access to those lands is forever gone, thinking otherwise is delusional! Better that we preserve what we still have access too - like up north. The OFTR is currently our best chance to do that.

    If you like to ride dirt bikes, anywhere other than your own property, you really should be an OFTR member. Full stop!

    Jason
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    BillO Limited User

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    Well put Jason!
  16. tricky55+

    tricky55+ ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Extremely well put. I would loved to have made the same statement, and it is timely! =D>
  17. widnes

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    Really well put jason.
    Myself and son are OFTR/SCORRA members and have been since I bought my son his first bike. For us people up in Simcoe County we have seen some areas that use to be open to riding now closed and only open to the "walkers". Not knocking them in any way either.
    The small forest where my son first learnt to ride, was a beautiful little piece of forest and just a "bike push" from my home....now gone. But you know what is funny.....There is more garbage in there now than there ever was when it was open to riding. The "clean up days" organized by SCORRA are great, but since they don't do that in that section any more, it has now become a dumping ground. I don't see the "walkers" ever having a clean up day in there.......
    I for one (and son) are proud to be members of SCORRA and really appreciate what they do to help keep our local riding areas open for us. Do I really want to drive for hours just to ride because our local areas may get closed some time.....
    For the cost and what that money goes to....well worth it for me.....